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you mentioned boehner speaking at the top of the hour. in the past few moments the obama 2012 campaign staff has tweeted the following. if your taxes go up, republicans will have made a conscious choice to let that happen. we have no way of knowing if this is somehow related to what the speaker may say in 20 minutes' time. might just be yet another echo of an existing talking point. that's going to be one more tea leaf to read in the next half hour. >>> when we come back, delta air lines buying a 49% stake in virgin atlantic today. we'll talk to the ceo about the deal and what it means for the airline's future after the break. again? it's embarrassing it's embarrassing! we can see you carl. we can totally see you. come on you're better than this...all that prowling around. yeah, you're the king of the jungle. have you thought about going vegan carl? hahaha!! you know folks who save hundreds of dollars by switching to geico sure are happy. how happy are they jimmy? happier than antelope with night-vision goggles. nice! get happy. get geico
you mentioned boehner speaking at the top of the hour. in the past few moments the obama 2012 campaign staff has tweeted the following. if your taxes go up, republicans will have made a conscious choice to let that happen. we have no way of knowing if this is somehow related to what the speaker may say in 20 minutes' time. might just be yet another echo of an existing talking point. that's going to be one more tea leaf to read in the next half hour. >>> when we come back, delta air...
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. >> well, spiker boehner believes and convinced me he's negotiating with himself. he's in the spot between, and let's be clear, john boehner's never voted for a tax increase in his entire caer in the house so he's got his principles, and, on the other hand, we saw in november, bewere not successful coming to electioneering. we're going to be blamed. he wants to create the appearance of a willingness to sit down in talk in a broad way in entitlement reform, bending the spinning art, but the president won't engage it. it's give me my increase on the dreaded rich people, and and unlimited credit card with respect to the debt ceiling. can you imagine anything more absurd than us giving eman unlimited ability to raise the debt ceiling? he's got the unmitigated ability to ask for tt. lou: congressman, i have the most profound respect. you t me to tears thinking about the 435 folks there on capital hill in the house who have little tiny megaphones and can't get their message out, but then i start desperately looking for the message, and i can't even find it as i seek it.
. >> well, spiker boehner believes and convinced me he's negotiating with himself. he's in the spot between, and let's be clear, john boehner's never voted for a tax increase in his entire caer in the house so he's got his principles, and, on the other hand, we saw in november, bewere not successful coming to electioneering. we're going to be blamed. he wants to create the appearance of a willingness to sit down in talk in a broad way in entitlement reform, bending the spinning art, but...
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i think speaker boehner's gained some credibility with his own party. flashback to the payroll chasm cut episode a year ago when he urged his colleagues, this time a year ago. we better extend. his guys said no and of course they were right back here in january, having to agree with the president, which is why i also think right now boehner's real sort of view is probably closercloser than he would say. >> eliot: maybe the best thing for boehner is that allen west lost. >> when you have very vocal members lose, it sends a message. >> eliot: a man who helped create and define (vo) when the clock runs out when the last card is played what will be remembered? explore the lives of the famous and infamous who changed our world forever. experience the drama, back to back to back. of all the hours in all their days, the ones you'll never forget are the final 24. don't miss the final 24 mini-marathon this sunday on current tv. save the best for last. >> every once in a while someone will have the intellectual acutety and integrity to challenge long held beliefs
i think speaker boehner's gained some credibility with his own party. flashback to the payroll chasm cut episode a year ago when he urged his colleagues, this time a year ago. we better extend. his guys said no and of course they were right back here in january, having to agree with the president, which is why i also think right now boehner's real sort of view is probably closercloser than he would say. >> eliot: maybe the best thing for boehner is that allen west lost. >> when you...
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i think speaker boehner's gained some credibility with his own party. flashback to the payroll chasm cut episode a year ago when he urged his colleagues, this time a year ago. we better extend. his guys said no and of course they were right back here in january, having to agree with the president which is why i also think right now boehner's real sort of view is probably closercloser than he would say. >> eliot: maybe the best thing for boehner is that allen west lost. >> when you have very vocal members lose it sends a message. >> eliot: a man who helped create and define reaganomics but now has serious thoughts. next. [ piano plays ] troy polamalu's going deeper. ♪ ♪ and so is head & shoulders deep clean. [ male announcer ] with 7 benefits it goes deep to remove grease, gunk and flakes. deep. like me. [ male announcer ] head & shoulders deep clean for men. ♪ ♪ at cepacol we've heard people are going to extremes to relieve their sore throats. oh, okay, you don't need to do that. but i don't want any more of the usual lozenges and i want new coo
i think speaker boehner's gained some credibility with his own party. flashback to the payroll chasm cut episode a year ago when he urged his colleagues, this time a year ago. we better extend. his guys said no and of course they were right back here in january, having to agree with the president which is why i also think right now boehner's real sort of view is probably closercloser than he would say. >> eliot: maybe the best thing for boehner is that allen west lost. >> when you...
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lou: the staffs of both president obama and house speaker boehner are talking, but there is still no word of progress on the so-called fiscal cliff or the president's ultimatum. silence indicate a deal in the works or something too ugly for them to contemplate?@ we'll have the latest for you from the white house. white house correspondent ed henry here in just moments, but, first, the money line in hoping washington might get a deal done driving a modestly bullish mood on wall street at the end of the session. investors cheering news in a decline in jobless claims, and household wealth in the country grew by $1.7 trillion, to the highest level in five years, talk about a positive indicator for consumer purchasing. the dow jones industrial up 40 points, the s&p up five, and nasdaq rose 15.5 points. volume? a billion shares lighter than yesterday, but above the average of 3.1 billion trading on the board today. apple rebounded from yesterday's worst date performance in four years, a gain of $8.45 today with the ceo saying apple will move imac computer production to the country in the n
lou: the staffs of both president obama and house speaker boehner are talking, but there is still no word of progress on the so-called fiscal cliff or the president's ultimatum. silence indicate a deal in the works or something too ugly for them to contemplate?@ we'll have the latest for you from the white house. white house correspondent ed henry here in just moments, but, first, the money line in hoping washington might get a deal done driving a modestly bullish mood on wall street at the end...
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not boehner. and the president went back and tried to jam boehner, because he thought there was division in the ranks. so one of the challenges that boehner or mitch mcconnell has is you need to be one voice as the president's one voice but you have a lot of members. >> what about hedge funds? don't raise the rates, just make them pay the rates. make them pay ordinary income. i'm always surprised, you convert ordinary income rates to capital gains, that's not what people do. just pay ordinary, right? you agree to that. they don't have to raise the rates. >> did you readed article that harvard is the hedge fund that has the university on the side? >> i don't know. >> $27 billion hedge fund. >> you agree with me they ought to switch the rate with ordinary income. >> i'm not -- look, it's a tax increase but you can offset it by tax cuts elsewhere. you could do tax reform in such a way that long as it doesn't net money to the government. if the government sees additional cash they go, oh, and they dro
not boehner. and the president went back and tried to jam boehner, because he thought there was division in the ranks. so one of the challenges that boehner or mitch mcconnell has is you need to be one voice as the president's one voice but you have a lot of members. >> what about hedge funds? don't raise the rates, just make them pay the rates. make them pay ordinary income. i'm always surprised, you convert ordinary income rates to capital gains, that's not what people do. just pay...
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boehner came out and said we should raise taxes. >> i think boehner is doing the best he can to prevent marginal tax rates from rising. i think that's a very noble cause after conservatives and republicans lost in the last election. i think boehner's done the exact right thing. >> i've heard you make the bold case for conservatism on this show. we should advocate for what worked with ronald reagan. guess what? our economy took off. we got 20 million jobs and youth unemployment dropped 43%. and revenues doubled. >> that's not the issue. >> yes, it is. >> that's not john boehner's issue. john boehner didn't lose the presidency, my friend. and don't forget that. and by the way, conservatives did not win the presidency and conservatives did not win the senate. it was a lousy year. and you have to deal with that. and let me add one thing. i am a flat tax supply sider and i worked for ronald reagan. reagan compromised. he compromised in 1982 over a lousy deal which he regretted. he compromised in 1983 over a very good social security fix. and then he compromised again in 1986 over a very good
boehner came out and said we should raise taxes. >> i think boehner is doing the best he can to prevent marginal tax rates from rising. i think that's a very noble cause after conservatives and republicans lost in the last election. i think boehner's done the exact right thing. >> i've heard you make the bold case for conservatism on this show. we should advocate for what worked with ronald reagan. guess what? our economy took off. we got 20 million jobs and youth unemployment...
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neil: what do you think with what john boehner has come up with? that was his opening offer. >> it makes no sense to negotiate with ours when a president has not put a serious offer on the table. we need to remind americans, we do not need to take more money from the economy and give it to incomincompetent politicians and bureaucrats, we're not talking about revenue problem, we have doubled our spending but they' more money, and they want republicans to vote to pay for obama's welfare state, we did not vote for it. neil: you would not -- you would not support a hike in taxes in anyway shape or form? >> no but we will get more revenue if we reform our tax code and a pro-growth way, 3/10 of 1% will generate more revenue than what president obama is taxing about what he says tax the rich, his proposal does not add a drop in the buckie on the our problem. this is not a plan or a solution, this is a political trophy, to the left. and republicans should not go along with it. neil: you know, senator, a pleasure knowing you, i always gauge viewer interest
neil: what do you think with what john boehner has come up with? that was his opening offer. >> it makes no sense to negotiate with ours when a president has not put a serious offer on the table. we need to remind americans, we do not need to take more money from the economy and give it to incomincompetent politicians and bureaucrats, we're not talking about revenue problem, we have doubled our spending but they' more money, and they want republicans to vote to pay for obama's welfare...
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so it must come down to boehner's future. do you see more and more republicans starting to peel off in the house? will this pressure mount? >> absolutely. i think -- i think we're seeing an awful lot of republicans already folding privately. and i think that that's being reflected in the larger debate. i think we're going to see more of that. i mean, i'm very struck by -- the day after we had the sacred cows of the republican party -- i mean, there was a barbecue of the sacred cows. it was amazing. grover norquist, persona non grata. karl rove, completely unwelcomed in many corners in which he was star in the sun king. i think as people are feeling that, you're sensing that they really need to rethink in both short term and long term what kind of a republican party can they be? >> okay. donna gentile-o'donnell and michael eric dyson. professor, great to have you with us tonight. >>> there's a lot more coming up in the next half hour of "the ed show." stay tuned. >> we're not going to implement obama care in florida. >> we're
so it must come down to boehner's future. do you see more and more republicans starting to peel off in the house? will this pressure mount? >> absolutely. i think -- i think we're seeing an awful lot of republicans already folding privately. and i think that that's being reflected in the larger debate. i think we're going to see more of that. i mean, i'm very struck by -- the day after we had the sacred cows of the republican party -- i mean, there was a barbecue of the sacred cows. it...
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let's listen. >> well, i think it's safe to say boehner is not forcing either of you guys out, right? >> that's pretty true. >> it might work a little bit the other way, rush. >> what do you make of that? it might work a little bit the other way. here is an outgoing united states senator not being very outgoing about the speaker of the house saying he might lose his job because demint is going to the heritage foundation. explain that rubik's cube. >> actually, there's no connection. that's just idle banter with rush limbaugh. the speaker is going to be back in charge. he's negotiating right now with the president. >> but why clip the speaker on the way by? >> it's sort of setting the stage for what's to come. he's going to go out, he's got a new platform, an elevated voice, if you will. he's not one of 100. he's now really representing a lot of conservative voices around the country, but the thing to be careful about here is, you know, you talked about the split within the party. that split has been there for a while. it's not just after this election. it goes back a good number of ye
let's listen. >> well, i think it's safe to say boehner is not forcing either of you guys out, right? >> that's pretty true. >> it might work a little bit the other way, rush. >> what do you make of that? it might work a little bit the other way. here is an outgoing united states senator not being very outgoing about the speaker of the house saying he might lose his job because demint is going to the heritage foundation. explain that rubik's cube. >> actually,...
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on one side, you have establishment, john boehner and mitch mcconnell. to them, the election was lost because the conservative ideologues pulled him so right he could never find his way back in november. on the other side, jim demint, rick santorum and the industrial complex that make the same argument ideologues always make when they lose, the problem our guy wasn't ideological enough. the problem is going out in technicolor with demint bolting out to become the ceo of the conservative movement. joining me is the former head of the rnc and joy reed, managing editor of rio.com, also one of us. this is what happens when you go near the misery index, the rush limbaugh show. yesterday, jim demint, still the united states senator from south carolina and the out-going heritage foundation president dent and rush made fun of the speaker. let's listen. >> well, i think it's safe to say boehner is not forcing either of you guys out, right? >> that's pretty true. it might work a little bit the other way, rush. >> what do you make of that? it might work a little bi
on one side, you have establishment, john boehner and mitch mcconnell. to them, the election was lost because the conservative ideologues pulled him so right he could never find his way back in november. on the other side, jim demint, rick santorum and the industrial complex that make the same argument ideologues always make when they lose, the problem our guy wasn't ideological enough. the problem is going out in technicolor with demint bolting out to become the ceo of the conservative...
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. >> that's going to be the question that boehner has to deal with. the president will have to deal with the far wings of his party. boehner started doing it. did you see they removed two tea party members from the budget committee? >> i don't want to raise taxes to fund 25% of gdp. >> and actually, the american taxpayers are being told to pay their fair share. they want to see real entitlement reform as well. but you have to deal with the issue on the table. i mean, the spending right now is a percentage of gdp is 24%. it's projected to go substantially higher. do you know that medicare and medicaid didn't exist 50 years ago and they're now a quarter of the federal budget? >> i know. it was supposed to be supplemental. david walker was on the other day talking about obama care which is supposed to save us a trillion dollars and the actual cost, what it added the our entitlement is 12 trillion. just that we did in the last two years. or whenever it was. >> but in terms of where we are now in this negotiation, i believe that both sides in the final ana
. >> that's going to be the question that boehner has to deal with. the president will have to deal with the far wings of his party. boehner started doing it. did you see they removed two tea party members from the budget committee? >> i don't want to raise taxes to fund 25% of gdp. >> and actually, the american taxpayers are being told to pay their fair share. they want to see real entitlement reform as well. but you have to deal with the issue on the table. i mean, the...
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more support for boehner now than anytime in his speaker ship. is that's setting up for -- >> but it is social media and twitter allows to you see these things. >> sausage factory into the front of the kitchen. >> exactly. >> geithner didn't use the word marginal rates had to go up, just said rates. >> rates are already going up. there will be a tax increase to people making more than 250 anyway because of the health care law. so the idea that somehow they will get a freebie is just crazy. >> california at 52%, new york and other places -- >> when you add up all the state and local taxes. hawaii is above 50, as well. >> hawaii is worth it, though. >> california is not bad either. >> unless you need to drive somewhere. right? and don't have a helicopter. >> there's a reason the president takes a helicopter anywhere. you can't drive in d.c. sdl those a >> boston in the city can get like that. last night i was thinking in my mother was still alive, cincinnati versus here, she would see like ten cars an and go oh, i can't believe people -- if she had
more support for boehner now than anytime in his speaker ship. is that's setting up for -- >> but it is social media and twitter allows to you see these things. >> sausage factory into the front of the kitchen. >> exactly. >> geithner didn't use the word marginal rates had to go up, just said rates. >> rates are already going up. there will be a tax increase to people making more than 250 anyway because of the health care law. so the idea that somehow they will get...
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so when boehner comes out and gives his talk right after the election -- >> but honestly, the administration has criticized the republicans because there are no specifics in the spending cuts. >> come on, look. the erskine bowles language -- you know how this works. house republicans are will -- >> give me one. >> i won't play that game and here's why. house republicans -- house republicans are willing to sit . house republicans are willing to sit down. they're not any more anxious to deal with the cuts and pass the cuts than anybody else is but we demonstrated through the ryan budget, we did it once, we did it twice -- >> i'll give you that point. i wish everybody would stop talking about this in public and get behind closed doors and actually make this happen. i can't believe the amount of tough that is talking, the tough talk, we'll go over the cliff, we'll go over the cliff. >> let me ask you a point. it's a fiscal speed bump a $600 billion tax we need. the real thing we're headed for is the long-term progress we have to make. i'm very concerned the atmosphere is very poisoned the $600 b
so when boehner comes out and gives his talk right after the election -- >> but honestly, the administration has criticized the republicans because there are no specifics in the spending cuts. >> come on, look. the erskine bowles language -- you know how this works. house republicans are will -- >> give me one. >> i won't play that game and here's why. house republicans -- house republicans are willing to sit . house republicans are willing to sit down. they're not any...
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gain bah boehner has been here a long time. he saw the coup attempt to speaker gingrich by members of his old party. he knows he has to hold those people together to negotiate with the president. he saw a little bit of wiggle room earlier with jim demint coming out earlier and said he thought the tax offer was an outrage. from the right you can see the speaker tamping that out with his boot. gwen: the president has not always been where he is on this now with the tax rate. he's said in the past that maybe the tax rates should not be raised and that would be bad for the economy. what changed? >> the economy changed. the economy is better. a lot has been made of the fact that the president caved two years ago, december of 2010. that was when the buschera tax rates first expired and he agreed to a two-year extension. yes, he caved but i think in fairness to the president he got a lot for it and the economy wasn't doing so well, which is why he wanted stimulus in the first place. in return for extending them then, he got payroll ta
gain bah boehner has been here a long time. he saw the coup attempt to speaker gingrich by members of his old party. he knows he has to hold those people together to negotiate with the president. he saw a little bit of wiggle room earlier with jim demint coming out earlier and said he thought the tax offer was an outrage. from the right you can see the speaker tamping that out with his boot. gwen: the president has not always been where he is on this now with the tax rate. he's said in the past...
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the question is going to be what does the white house give john boehner, offer john boehner in terms of entitlement cuts that he can use to bring along his caucus? it's pretty clear from the cracks in republican ranks, becky, that republicans are going to give ground on tax rates for some group of wealthier americans, maybe half million dollar incomes, maybe million dollar incomes. but boehner to the speaker to bring along his caucus has to say here are the spending concessions that i want and i think that's what this set of conversations is about. >> john, it was interesting to hear it from senator corker saying, yeah, we should hold the fight on spending. you about he did it on the assumption that you're going to have this debt ceiling crisis that comes up again and these concessions that come up in i guess february. the president in his initial offer laid out something that he had to say the debt ceiling would be part of that, too. would he have back down and say we could have this conversation again in six weeks? >> that's a really hard issue. he said in the same definitive rates
the question is going to be what does the white house give john boehner, offer john boehner in terms of entitlement cuts that he can use to bring along his caucus? it's pretty clear from the cracks in republican ranks, becky, that republicans are going to give ground on tax rates for some group of wealthier americans, maybe half million dollar incomes, maybe million dollar incomes. but boehner to the speaker to bring along his caucus has to say here are the spending concessions that i want and...
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john boehner is really the only republican power in town. so a lot of people think that he's going to have to move toward the president. right now, he's showing absolutely no signs of that. but public opinion is definitely in the president's side. >> the president seems to be counting on here that if no deal is reached, the gop will get the blame from voters. is that the right calculation to make? >> absolutely. polls show that republicans would overwhelmingly be blamed if the united states goes over the proverbial fiscal cliff. and that's why president obama has an advantage, because he's willing -- he says, this is what he and his advisers say, he's willing to send the nation off of the fiscal cliff, letting all income tax rates to jump, spending cuts to take hold, investment income rates to jump. he's willing to do that. he thinks republicans would get the political blame. republicans, on the other hand, note that listen, the president's going to have to have another term where he's dealing with what's likely to be a deep recession as a r
john boehner is really the only republican power in town. so a lot of people think that he's going to have to move toward the president. right now, he's showing absolutely no signs of that. but public opinion is definitely in the president's side. >> the president seems to be counting on here that if no deal is reached, the gop will get the blame from voters. is that the right calculation to make? >> absolutely. polls show that republicans would overwhelmingly be blamed if the...
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gas prices continue their downward tread and the president and speaker of the house john boehner meet in person to play the fiscal cliff version of let's make a deal. that is all ahead when kron 4 news continues. [ female announcer ] for those who love sweets, your season is here. let's just call it the baking time of year. you need special ingredients. you need the staples. that's a given. you need safeway sugar for just $1.97. and that magic thing that makes everyone want another -- only $2.99 for challenge butter. and when hands get messy, quite surely they'll say, "yum! wow! yay! what a sweeter holiday." safeway. ingredients for life. ♪ in a world where ♪ there is so much to see ♪ there's still no other place ♪ that i would rather, rather ♪ rather, rather be ♪ [ male announcer ] dip into sabra hummus and discover a little taste of the world. enjoy sabra dips. adventure awaits. >>> port of oakland employees voted to ratify a contract agreement reached last month. this is video from the strike. the agreement includes a cost of living raise over the next two years and a s
gas prices continue their downward tread and the president and speaker of the house john boehner meet in person to play the fiscal cliff version of let's make a deal. that is all ahead when kron 4 news continues. [ female announcer ] for those who love sweets, your season is here. let's just call it the baking time of year. you need special ingredients. you need the staples. that's a given. you need safeway sugar for just $1.97. and that magic thing that makes everyone want another -- only...
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aids say the president wanted boehner to offer up more issues on the tax revenue, and boehner wants the president to be more particularly about spending cuts. states have until this friday to tell the federal government whether they want to set up their own insurance exchanges or do it themselves. the government has given conditional approval to six tait -- states who want to do it themselves. six want a state and federal partnership, and six haven't said anything at all. tennessee is the latest to say it won't set up an online marketplace bringing the total to 21. republican governor said he is not a fan of the care act but he is one of several republicans who just did nothing until now, hoping the law would be overturned. we're back after the break. >> she gets the comedians laughing... >> that's hilarious! >> ...and the thinkers thinking. >> okay, so there's wiggle-room in the ten commandments is what you're telling me. >> she's joy behar. ... and current will let me say anything. >> only on current tv. i think the number one thing that viewers like about the young turks is that we'r
aids say the president wanted boehner to offer up more issues on the tax revenue, and boehner wants the president to be more particularly about spending cuts. states have until this friday to tell the federal government whether they want to set up their own insurance exchanges or do it themselves. the government has given conditional approval to six tait -- states who want to do it themselves. six want a state and federal partnership, and six haven't said anything at all. tennessee is the...
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is it's much harder to define a win for john boehner. you know, is a win, you know, holding absolutely fast? is a win saying, you know, great, we were the party that managed to cut social security for the middle class? that's going to be pretty hard to go into another election with. >> you know, do you agree with that assessment that it's easier for the president, cynthia, because he basically wins on taxes. he's the robin hood, if you will, of this issue. he's looking out for the regular people against the people on the top. on the other side he's saying, you republicans, you can be the scrooging this winter. i have to go along with it. but you're forcing me to do it so you're the bad guys. so i think i agree with kristin. this is basically a setup if there is a deal for the president. >> well, i do think that the president would certainly get a big win with the middle class tax cut piece of this which i think is going to pass, whether it passes by the first of the year is another matter, but i think he'll get that piece of it. but i th
is it's much harder to define a win for john boehner. you know, is a win, you know, holding absolutely fast? is a win saying, you know, great, we were the party that managed to cut social security for the middle class? that's going to be pretty hard to go into another election with. >> you know, do you agree with that assessment that it's easier for the president, cynthia, because he basically wins on taxes. he's the robin hood, if you will, of this issue. he's looking out for the regular...
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speaker boehner doesn't want to be seen as caving too early. he would get a challenge for his speakership at the beginning of the next congress. he knows what the end game is going to be. there are going to be rises in tax rates for the wealthiest 2%. it's just a question of whether it's 37 or 39.6% and what else can he gets. if he's able to get some kind of concession on the spending side, then that, i think, saves him face with his more conservative members. >> this 37%, though, number that's been floated out there, what do your gop colleagues say to that number? >> they have been very, very adamant about not raising the rate at all. so i don't think probably the 37 is going to be any easier to swallow than 39.6. but i think what it would do is give speaker boehner some way to say, well, i got some concessions. can't go all the way to maintain the exact rate of 35% but we got something. i think that's what he's looking for with that 37% initiative. >> all right, kentucky democratic representative john yarmuth. >>> the other side of the aisle,
speaker boehner doesn't want to be seen as caving too early. he would get a challenge for his speakership at the beginning of the next congress. he knows what the end game is going to be. there are going to be rises in tax rates for the wealthiest 2%. it's just a question of whether it's 37 or 39.6% and what else can he gets. if he's able to get some kind of concession on the spending side, then that, i think, saves him face with his more conservative members. >> this 37%, though, number...
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senator demint starts about firing speaker boehner on rush limbaugh show. where is this war going? >> well, you do see a real split on the republican side right now between the establishment figures. let's be clear, the power still sits with the tea party more than with the establishment. you've seen this in the picking of the next gubernatorial candidate. and so it's a small number of people who are trying to move away from that ideology and you also see the institutional shift. something like the heritage foundation that used to be a real generator of ideas, taking one of the flat earthers out of the senate to try to come in and be the face of that is not moving in a direction. this is a senator who stood with todd akin after and put his name out there and that's largely been pushed down by the base of the party and of the movement. >> now, joe, when you see senator demint tweeting statements that really ripped speaker boehner's debt talks, he tweeted this, speaker boehner's offer of an $800 billion tax hike will destroy jobs and allow politicians in washington to spend even more
senator demint starts about firing speaker boehner on rush limbaugh show. where is this war going? >> well, you do see a real split on the republican side right now between the establishment figures. let's be clear, the power still sits with the tea party more than with the establishment. you've seen this in the picking of the next gubernatorial candidate. and so it's a small number of people who are trying to move away from that ideology and you also see the institutional shift....
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president obama and john boehner. even all sides of the party are excluded. >>> with 25 days before taxes go up for nearly every single american, what effect will the jobs report have on the fiscal standoff? we'll get live remarks from john boehner who is going to try to use the jobs report to the republican's advantage. representative, let's start with the november jobs report numbers. they look very good, good news overall for the koirnlt tree. but speaker boehner said this, the democrats plan to slow walk our economy to the edge of the fiscal cliff instead of engaging in serious talks to avert the cliff, that includes spending cuts and tax reforms the president once supported. the white house has only offered a joke. i understand we have speaker boehner to the microphones. let's take a listen. >> when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. eight days ago secretary geithner came here to offer a plan that had twice the tax hikes that
president obama and john boehner. even all sides of the party are excluded. >>> with 25 days before taxes go up for nearly every single american, what effect will the jobs report have on the fiscal standoff? we'll get live remarks from john boehner who is going to try to use the jobs report to the republican's advantage. representative, let's start with the november jobs report numbers. they look very good, good news overall for the koirnlt tree. but speaker boehner said this, the...
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redstate has a fire boehner petition online for voters to sign. it reads in part in order to save the future of our country, we need to stop those in congress who aren't willing to put their foot down. well need an articulate spokesman in the house who is fiscally responsible and won't cave on principle. as your constituent, i ask you to please stand on principle and abstain from voting for speaker of the house on january 23rd. >> in abstention. what a march in the streets for abstention. with all due respect to the senator for redstate, the election to win was the one in november. and, you know, john boehner is a markedly more confident speaker now than he was last time around. when you have people like rand paul saying, well, there is a way we could maybe vote, but not vote, and let democrats vote, you know, this is what happened with the first clinton budget that went over so well where republicans backed out and then wanted to take claim for the economy that grew out of that clinton budget and the clinton economic policies. they are saying we'
redstate has a fire boehner petition online for voters to sign. it reads in part in order to save the future of our country, we need to stop those in congress who aren't willing to put their foot down. well need an articulate spokesman in the house who is fiscally responsible and won't cave on principle. as your constituent, i ask you to please stand on principle and abstain from voting for speaker of the house on january 23rd. >> in abstention. what a march in the streets for abstention....
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>>> president and speaker boehner agreed that loose lips sink ships until today. it is tuesday, december 11th, and this is "now." >>> joining us today political analyst and washington bureau chief for more jones david korn and communications director and an msnbc political analyst karen finish where i politico executive editor jim van dehigh, and chief national correspondent for the morning times magazine mark rubavich. >>> over at the white house president obama has no public events scheduled. meanwhile, over in michigan thousands of union members and supporters are protesting at the state capitol building in lancing. the state, which is the heart of the united autoworkers and ground zero for union rights is poised to sign a major anti-labor bill into law today. the president weighed in on that, speaking yesterday in redford. >> these right to work clause, they don't have anything with economics. they have everything to do with politics. what they're really talking about is giving you the right to work for less money. america is not going to compete based on low
>>> president and speaker boehner agreed that loose lips sink ships until today. it is tuesday, december 11th, and this is "now." >>> joining us today political analyst and washington bureau chief for more jones david korn and communications director and an msnbc political analyst karen finish where i politico executive editor jim van dehigh, and chief national correspondent for the morning times magazine mark rubavich. >>> over at the white house president...
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it to boehner and obama to make a deal. though boehner spokesman michael steele tells us this morning if we're going to solve this problem every congressional leader and more importantly the white house have all important roles to play. the fact is we've heard this same thing. and that is that pelosi and the senate leaders are not in the room at first. they'll be brought in when boehner and the white house are close. mann while, back to the debt ceiling. the new republicans' main point of leverage n. a rare misstep, mcconnell may have taken some of that leverage away in a move that ended with mcconnell filibustering himself. the president doesn't have enough democratic support, mcconnell moved to vote to permanently give the president the rate to approve the debt ceiling. reid shocked mcconnell by calling the idea of having that vote a positive development. forcing him to reject a vote he had called for himself. >> is there objection? >> reserving the right to object, matters of this controversy -- what we're talking about
it to boehner and obama to make a deal. though boehner spokesman michael steele tells us this morning if we're going to solve this problem every congressional leader and more importantly the white house have all important roles to play. the fact is we've heard this same thing. and that is that pelosi and the senate leaders are not in the room at first. they'll be brought in when boehner and the white house are close. mann while, back to the debt ceiling. the new republicans' main point of...
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i think boehner understands that. it's an issue if he can convince his conference. >> if the deal is middle class people get their tax cut continued, 2% of people don't get it. is that a good deal for the president or is that a tricky deal by the republicans? >> no -- >> puts off the fight over spending. >> he decouples tax rates, which is what he's tried -- frankly, democrats have been trying to do this for eight years. this is an eight-year-long campaign to decouple the tax rates for the rich. so yes, i talked to a high-level aide today that said -- i said, if you don't get the big deal -- because right now we're basically that small deal, which would not be a small thing, doing that, but you might not get the large grand bargain that you hope for -- >> why wouldn't the republicans take cuts in entitlements, take cuts in general government spending as part of a deal. >> they don't think -- the president hasn't outlined the cuts in entitlements. this is where the political gamesmanship goes on their side. they sit th
i think boehner understands that. it's an issue if he can convince his conference. >> if the deal is middle class people get their tax cut continued, 2% of people don't get it. is that a good deal for the president or is that a tricky deal by the republicans? >> no -- >> puts off the fight over spending. >> he decouples tax rates, which is what he's tried -- frankly, democrats have been trying to do this for eight years. this is an eight-year-long campaign to decouple...
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jim demint a tea party leader said speaker boehner's $800 billion tax hike will destroy american jobs and allow politicians in washington to spend even more. disagreements among republicans and democrats here on capitol hill is nothing new, but tuesday a republican aide told us the two sides aren't even talking. not surprisingly the white house disagrees. >> i can guarantee you conversations continue at different levels. and among different groups. >> reporter: both parties are ready to play the blame game in case negotiations fail. >> there's only one person out of 370 million americans who can sign something into law and that's the president. >> 60% of americans are asking the wealthy to pay more. >> reporter: a "the washington post" poll say 53% of americans will blame republicans and 29% would hold the president responsible if the nation goes over the fiscal cliff. the two sides appear close to an agreement on little things. it could lead to higher airline ticket prices and no more mail delivery on saturday. >> oh, boy. susan mcginnis in washington this morning. susan, thank you s
jim demint a tea party leader said speaker boehner's $800 billion tax hike will destroy american jobs and allow politicians in washington to spend even more. disagreements among republicans and democrats here on capitol hill is nothing new, but tuesday a republican aide told us the two sides aren't even talking. not surprisingly the white house disagrees. >> i can guarantee you conversations continue at different levels. and among different groups. >> reporter: both parties are...
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. >>> also, later on, did you hear john boehner today? >> four days ago we offered a serious proposal based on testimony of president clinton's former chief of staff. since then, there's been to counteroffer from the white house. instead, reports indicate that the president has adopted a deliberate strategy to slow walk our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. >> former presidential candidate and vermont governor howard dean says bring it on. going over the fiscal cliff will actually help america. he's going to make his case, very bold statement there, to someone whose company will be decimated by the spending cuts to defense companies. you do not want to miss this confrontation. ricans are alwayso work hard for a better future. since ameriprise financial was founded back in 1894, they've been committed to putting clients first. helping generations through tough times. good times. never taking a bailout. there when you need them. helping millions of americans over the centuries. the strength of a global financial leader. the hea
. >>> also, later on, did you hear john boehner today? >> four days ago we offered a serious proposal based on testimony of president clinton's former chief of staff. since then, there's been to counteroffer from the white house. instead, reports indicate that the president has adopted a deliberate strategy to slow walk our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. >> former presidential candidate and vermont governor howard dean says bring it on. going over the fiscal...
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boehner has already put on the table a comparable amount of money to be gained from putting a cap on deductions, about 800 billion over ten years, so such a-- >> look, paul, two reasons. first is ideological. his partisans, his liberal base believe this is somehow a symbol of winning the tax fight and you can only do that by raising the rates on the wealthy in the country and they're insistent on that. the other thing the president is interested in, he wants a double deal and wants to raise tax rates and also take the deductions, the closing of tax deductions and upping the ante, he feels if he doesn't give, doesn't demand that, he's looking at a tie of tax revenue down the line. >> paul: he's raised the ante, not 800 billion, but 1.6 trillion. he's got the rest from deductions, but that's a huge revenue hit. >> first, a huge revenue hit, but that's what the president wants. i think what he really wants is tone act the tax rate increases and make them permanent. there's a kind of conventional wisdom that we'll do these things and sometime next year, and even the president says we'll
boehner has already put on the table a comparable amount of money to be gained from putting a cap on deductions, about 800 billion over ten years, so such a-- >> look, paul, two reasons. first is ideological. his partisans, his liberal base believe this is somehow a symbol of winning the tax fight and you can only do that by raising the rates on the wealthy in the country and they're insistent on that. the other thing the president is interested in, he wants a double deal and wants to...
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the "new york times" reporting that house speaker john boehner wants to speak only to president obama out of public view. though we've just learned that boehner is holding a news conference at 11:00 this morning eastern time. the fight, though, still very public. vice president joe biden is meeting with a middle class family. and yesterday president obama met with a virginia family. tax hikes for the rich are nonnegotiable. >> just to be clear, i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rate from going up for folks at the top 2%. but i do remain optimistic that we can get something done that is for families like this one. >> joining me now is barry, msnbc political contributor and editor for grio. hello, guys. >> perry, i'm wondering if these new unemployment numbers add to the president's leverage? >> i think they do. the big thing is the election. but the jobs numbers suggest that the economy is doing well and it cuts against the republican argument that raising taxes on the rich with would hurt the economy and the economy is fragile. the numbers though that the
the "new york times" reporting that house speaker john boehner wants to speak only to president obama out of public view. though we've just learned that boehner is holding a news conference at 11:00 this morning eastern time. the fight, though, still very public. vice president joe biden is meeting with a middle class family. and yesterday president obama met with a virginia family. tax hikes for the rich are nonnegotiable. >> just to be clear, i'm not going to sign any package...
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we have not seen that same support from republicans to speaker boehner. he has the rank and file behind him, but we have conservative voices both in the senate and house criticize the plan he put on the table. with that said, again, i guess my initial question is where do you see progress? you noted where the president stood the line and been loyal to the words he offered to the american public upon re-election, but as far as these negotiations are concerned, where is the progress? >> well, i think republican voices are being raised. even lindsey graham over in the senate and in the house, you're seeing the congressman speak out from ohio. though he's leaving, he sees a path forward to an agreement. i think we need 218 to pass a measure in the house, and i think we're on the road to do that. >> quickly, we have to talk about major changes to social security and medicare. you are against it. a new poll shows that 70% are opposed to medicaid spending cuts, 51% oppose raising medicare age. where are you you willing to compromise on entitlements when that par
we have not seen that same support from republicans to speaker boehner. he has the rank and file behind him, but we have conservative voices both in the senate and house criticize the plan he put on the table. with that said, again, i guess my initial question is where do you see progress? you noted where the president stood the line and been loyal to the words he offered to the american public upon re-election, but as far as these negotiations are concerned, where is the progress? >>...
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i think we ought to have the president sitting down with john boehner, finding solutions that can, one, pass the house, and, two, be signed by the president, and i believe if you find that solution, it will pass the senate. >> senator john barrasso, thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> next on "andrea mitchell reports" -- as the house heads home, are democrats in congress being left out of the budget talks? >>> but first, fresh off his gangnam style premiere, alan simpson has a message for all of you kids out there. >> the young people aren't organized. the senior citizens are so well-organized they've got the aarp, committee for the preservation of the gray panthers, the silver head legislators, pink panthers. they are organized and they don't give a whip. this younger generation better learn to take part or get taken apart. wi srk cash card from capital one, sven gets great rewards for his small business! how does this thing work? oh, i like it! [ garth ] sven's small business earns 2% cash back on every purchase, every day! woo-hoo!!! so that's ten security gators, right? put t
i think we ought to have the president sitting down with john boehner, finding solutions that can, one, pass the house, and, two, be signed by the president, and i believe if you find that solution, it will pass the senate. >> senator john barrasso, thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> next on "andrea mitchell reports" -- as the house heads home, are democrats in congress being left out of the budget talks? >>> but first, fresh off his gangnam style...